Time is up for PTM leadership: DG ISPR

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    RAWALPINDI: Director General Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Major General Asif Ghafoor on Monday, while sharing with the media the information about links of the Pakhtun Tahaffuz Movement (PTM) with Afghan and Indian spy agencies, said that time was up for them now as the PTM leaders have already enjoyed a lot of liberty.

    Major General Asif Ghafoor said that there should be soft attitude with the PTM even if their demands are not genuine keeping in view the sufferings of Pakthuns during the operation against terrorism.

    He said that Pakistan had always aspired to meet demands of the PTM which include clearing areas, which remained under operation, from mines, end of check posts and addressing the issue of missing persons, but their leadership says they would take revenge from the Pakistan Army. “Actually, these are demands of the PTM who are so-called leaders of Pakhtuns,” he said.

    He questioned the PTM leaders including Manzoor Pashteen and the members of the National Assembly Mohsin Dawar, and Ali Wazir that where were they when terrorists were cutting throats of Pakhtuns and playing football with their heads. “Now they are talking about protection of Pakhtuns,” the DG ISPR said.

    He pointed that it was the Pakistan Army which fought against terrorists and forced them out of the tribal areas. The DG ISPR said as per directives of Chief of Army Staff (COAS) General Qamar Javed Bajwa, he was the first to engage with the PTM leaders. “The army chief directed me not to deal them hard even if their demands are not genuine,” he said.

    About the first demand of the PTM, he said as many as 48 teams of Pakistan Army’s engineers were deployed who so far have cleared 45 percent of area from mines and live bombs. “In the process, we also suffered 101 casualties,” he said.

    About the second demand of the PTM, the DG ISPR said it were personnel of Pakistan Army who have been deputed and sacrificing their lives to ensure peace in the area. On the third demand, he said as per identification carried out by the commission constituted for the purpose, the number of missing persons has been reduced from over 8,000 to around 2,500.

    Major General Asif Ghafoor said the PTM leaders have also been asked to give lists of manpower of Tehreek-e-Taliban present in Afghanistan so that their names could be compared with the list of 2,500 missing persons. Saying that time was up for the PTM leadership now, the DG ISPR maintained that action would be taken against them as per law of the land if they did not respond to questions about their links with NDS and RAW.

    He questioned the PTM leadership as to how much donations they have secured from abroad and whether the amount which they are keeping is not more than what they have shown on the website. He also questioned the PTM as to how much funds the Indian spy agency RAW provided them to stage sit-in in Islamabad in March, last year and who was Manzoor Pashteen’s relative who visited Indian consulate in Kandahar last year and how much funds were given to him.

    The military spokesman also questioned the PTM leaders as to how much funds the Indian consulate in Jalalabad provided them and how many dollars did the Indian diplomat in Islamabad gave them in May, 2018. He also questioned as to how much funds did the NDS gave them for funeral of Arman Luni. He also questioned MNA Mohsin Dawar that in which capacity he asked the Afghan authorities that dead body of SP Tahir Dawar should be given to them instead of Pakistan government’s authorities and what are their connections with Baloch separatists.

    Major General Asif Ghafoor made it clear on India that Pakistan reserves the right to use every capability for its defence, warning the adversary to refrain from testing the resolve of the Pakistan’s armed forces.

    “If such a time comes, India must remember that there will be a repeat of February 27,” he said. Referring to a statement of the Indian army chief that they were not keeping nuclear weapons to fire on eve of Devali, the spokesman for Pakistan Army said that leaders of a nuclear state must remember that such statements are not appropriate, saying that nuclear capability is a weapon of deterrence.

    “It is also confidence of the state having nuclear capability, which matters,” the DG ISPR said, maintaining that a state like Pakistan reserves the right to use every capability when it comes to its defence.

    The military spokesman said India has been telling uncounted lies since the Palwama incident on February 22 and then the Balakot air strikes on February 27. “We are not responding to their false claims and that is why they are continuing,” he said, adding that they have many facts to reveal, but would do so at a proper time.

    He also asked Indian leadership to also tell media as to what was response of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) on February 27 at Nowshera area in response to India’s February 26 misadventure. “They hit one target in Balakot with four missiles, whereas we responded with six missiles on four targets,” he said.

    He said the media should also be told as to who was present inside the Brigade headquarters of Indian army when the PAF engaged it, but fired missile intentionally at a safe distance, and what was state of ammunition depot and whether it is in working state or not following February 27.

    To a question from senior journalist Hamid Mir as to whether Indian army chief was present at the Brigade headquarters on February 27, the DG ISPR said ask the same question from Indian media.

    The DG ISPR said if the Indian leadership claim that their air force shot down Pakistan’s F-16 then they could ask the United States that one of F-16 aircraft with Pakistan is missing. He said the Indian leadership should also tell their media how Pakistan artillery engaged Indians on the Line of Control (LoC) when they were planning missile attack on February 28. “They must tell their media that with live disruptive and destructive fire from our artillery, the Indians were forced to their gun positions and how much loss of their soldiers, they suffered,” he said.

    Major General Asif Ghafoor said the adversary must remember now it is not the 1971 era, nor it is army of 1971. “Had there been Pakistani media of today in 1971, it must had exposed Indians’ designs and brought forth many facts and East Pakistan might not have separated,” he said, adding that Pakistani media have been playing a key role in operations against terrorism for the last two decades.

    Once again making offer of talks to India, the DG ISPR said the Indian leadership should come to talks to resolve outstanding issues like Kashmir if they want peace in the region. “The support for Kashmiri people runs in our veins,” he maintained. He said it was also up to the Indian leadership whether they want repeat of February 27 or they like to fight against poverty which Pakistan have been doing for decades.

    Talking about madrassa reforms, he said there are over 30,000 madrassas in Pakistan and 2.5 million children receive an religious education there.

    “The government and support institutions have decided to mainstream all these madrassas… Their curriculum will include contemporary subjects… These madrasas will be under the Ministry of Education,” DG ISPR added.

    Major General Asif Ghafoor said the army chief had engaged with Ulema from all sects on this and they all agreed that it was necessary to mainstream madrassas and contemporary education must be taught there. He said the army chief says, “Stick to your faith and don’t touch others”.

    He said the syllabus for the madrassas would not include hate speech and ensure respect for other sects. He added that the madrassa students, after completing their studies, would have degrees and have the same opportunities as the students studying in private schools and they should be taught contemporary subjects so that they are brought in the national mainstream and earn their livelihood.

    He pointed out that a student of Jamia Rashidia had joined the Pakistan Military Academy because he fulfilled the merit.

    Major General Asif Ghafoor said that in the first phase, a legislation would be carried through an act of the Parliament, in the second, the syllabus would be reviewed, teachers assigned and finances discussed, while in third phase, mainstreaming of the madrassas would take place.

    According to the DG ISPR, at the start of this process, Rs2 billion would be required, and then Rs1 billion annually would be required. He said Pakistan had come a long way in fight against terrorism since 9/11. He said there have been 1,237 kinetic operations and around 100,000 intelligence-based operations.

    He said that since 9/11, 17,531 terrorists have been killed, 450 tons of explosives have been recovered besides huge quantities of weapons. “Today we can say with conviction, evidence and logic that there is no organised terrorist infrastructure present in Pakistan,” he said.

    The DG ISPR said that in the policy domain Pakistan passed the Anti-Terrorist Act, counterinsurgency regulation and through an act of Parliament, military courts were formed.

    Asif Ghafoor further said that Pakistan had intelligence sharing cooperation with 70 countries. “We paid the price for this. Over 81,000 Pakistanis, including personnel of the armed forces, were either martyred or injured,” he said.

    The DG ISPR said that after kinetic operations were completed, the state of Pakistan decided to take action against proscribed organisations and formulated the National Action Plan in 2014 when there was no Palwama or FATF. He dismissed the impression that recent actions against proscribed organisations were being taken due to external pressures.

    He recalled that on January 1, this year, a decision was taken on how to deal with proscribed organisations. He said that it was also decided that welfare set up of these proscribed organizations including hospitals, schools etc. would now be operated under government’s control.

    https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/464948-time-is-up-for-ptm-leadership-dg-ispr
     
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    Sounds like some serious phainty coming towards the PTM, because they have crossed the red line.
     
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    I reckon rudimentary questions are, a) who is financially supporting them and b) why?
     
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    It was a press conference full of anger and contradictions. Pakistan army is great at war fare, absolutely dumb in politics. Initially they started off with PTM is nothing but foreign media campaign, now that they have gathered some support in public, and have gone vocal about being anti army, they are getting angry. It may matter of Raw supports them, but they have gathered support from within. They have asked the right question, why is the state protecting Rao Anwar. They can't blame it on Zardari anymore. Rao Anwar presented the ISI appreciation letter in the court. The links can't be denied.
     
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    So ptm is anti state if raw funds them, but Pakistan army is pro state if/when CIA funds them.

    Pakistan army's support for their pet rogue elements come back to haunt them every time. And that makes them weak in their narrative and they make blunders because of it. Hundreds and hundreds of missing persons list and asif sb makes a blunders in press conference that they were war casualties.
     
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    Nobody says that Pakistan army doesnt have skeleton in their closet, but doesnt it mean that you give full autonomy to the biggest traitors of the country?

    PTM leaders give open thread to those who speaks in favor of army, where does it happen if you're a political party?

    I see no difference in between PTM of today vs. MQM of yesterday.
     
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    It is not about if PTM is using the wrong strategy, they are. but the army is responding with even dumber strategy. and they have done this in the past aswell, and usually made a foul out of themselves. the strategy is, if you are against us, you must be RAW agent.
    We are already witnessing backtracking of corruption claims which were some trillion dollars done by the sharif's and zardari's. the number's have significantly come down. they are not getting caught easily either. it is getting embarrassing when the corrupts have the final laugh because of the botched up investigation/strategy. We saw the same with MQM with proofs, no proofs, some proofs, then just banning their leader.
     
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    They have concrete evidences against PTM about their funding through RAW and NDS, so in such circumstances what do you expect they'll do? Pretend that its not what it is and look in the other direction? I have already acknowledged that army made many mistakes in past, but not every decision is wrong. We need to remove these invisible hate glasses from our eyes for them.

    As for Sharif's and Zardari's, indeed its disappointing situation but if other counties, which holds this money are not cooperation than who's fault is it? Why would any country take out billions/trillions from its economy and dish it back to you? That said, I am inclined to hear what botched up investigation/strategy you're referring to.

    Last but not the least, MQM was also funded and trained by RAW and all instructions used to come from Altaf, they have isolated him from Pakistani politics, now MQM cant shut down Karachi neither Altaf gets truckload of money from Karachi, what else do you expect to happen?
     
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    The recent Waziristan check post incident will come back to haunt Pakistan army. No side is producing adequate video evidence, but the onus was on the Army to produce it most since they claim PTM have killed an army man and have arrested people. All they have shown till now unarmed men approaching a check post and at most trying to threat an Armed army man, verbally. This is not looking good. The army is once again making it look so obvious. If anything, this incident if proven right against the army, can kick start a real movement.
     
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    Man seems like you dont do enough research - FYI ...







    Ali and Mohsin attacked checkpost and their aim was to free some militant(s).

    Also, something strikes a bit strange, why it's all staged/happened when Chinese vice president arrived in Pakistan?

    https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/476629-chinese-vice-president-to-arrive-in-islamabad-today
     
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    What's alarming is that Government is totally quiet on this incident.
     
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    These two scums (Mohsin Dawar & Ali Wazir) are getting expose every day.





     
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    Its getting crystal clear who is behind this agenda and who is supporting these filths - CIA, RAW & Mossad.
     
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    I have gone through the videos you have posted. None of them show PTM people carrying guns and attacking the Army/FC. Hurling at them, yes, trying to cross the check posts, yes. Both sides need to find a middle ground. I am saying it again, the way the Army is handling the situation, it is going to create an unnecessary mess.

    We need to get out of conspiracy theories and need to understand the situation and separate the guys like ali wazir, mohsin dawar, who are elected MNAs from people like manzoor pashteen, who clearly seems like a CIA backed nobody.

    We have to understand that Waziristan has gone through war times. And now the area is seeing some normalcy and peace. People have grievances, and we need to address. The situation is tricky, they want the Army out of the are, the Army doesn't think so it's time to do it. We need to find a political solution to it, and people like mohsin dawar should have been used to make it happen.
     
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    @Disco Lemonade

    Yes in those video's their people did carry guys, but then how bullets flew and Army personnel's were shot? Of course something happened and certainly nobody will dare to record if bullets are flying.

    Ali Wazir & Mohsin Dawar are one side of the coin and Manzoor Pashteen is other.

    If you listen to Asif Ghafoor follow press conference then he clearly mentioned that they want to work with them and also doing efforts to stabilize and support Waziristan. However, Ali Wazir & Mohsin Dawar & Manzoor Pashteen are not engaging themselves in dialog - WHY?

    Million dollar question is, why they want Army out? They are there for security reasons, they dont want TTP-II to surface again. They want to make sure our border is secure, so again, what is the need to have them out? Its like asking them to be out of Balochistan - you tell me, is a fair ask? I dont think so.

     
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