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    What I said is totally relevant if you put together the dot, go figure !

    I am very well aware of what happened yesterday. Opposition was confident that they've enough votes to pass the resolution against chairman senate to remove him, however, they had worse surprise of their lifetime. I know you will call it horse trading, however, it was Zardari who sold Nawaz, Fazlu, Maryam and PML-N. The difference was about 13/14 votes. All this happened after a political understanding and arrangement. About 4 PML-N senators werent happy how Maryam is running the affairs. There are about 9/10 PPP senators, who chose not to vote against chairman senate, and this is where Zardari come in picture. Also, dont forget Sadiq Sanjrani is from PPP and Saleem Mandiwala too. More to the point, after resolution was failed against Sadiq Sanjrani then why did opposition boycott when resolution was about to put forward against deputy chariman Mandiwala? It was PPP's decision and this how they saved their both senators. You need to take off your biased glasses and try to put some rational within your thoughts.

    And as for your #297 do you really believe that military personal in his uniform will rig the voting in front of media, opposition and all the coverage - seriously dude? Hypnotically speaking, even if it happened, then why Maryam and Billo rani or any of their clown arent spiting venom about it? Why opposition didnt mention it during press conference yesterday? Oh maybe Army must have intimidated them, right? gotcha ...

    I also see in one of your comment you said that you were PTI and IK supporter but you changed your views latter. I think I get it, your issue is with Army and establishment. You want army to work as like Police, which is nothing but wishful thinking. They're a major stakeholder in the country, the only issue is that they're much more visible compared to establishments of other countries. Only a naive will believe that CIA/FBI in US, MI6 in UK and RAW in India has no role to play but provide security. In your spare time do extensive research and you should be able to understand how they operates.

    If one is against his own army & bark against his own institutes, give whatever Kahsmir you have to India and live as their lap dog only then a PM will be considered as real PM in your opinion, I reckon.

    On contrary, Imran he has zilch issue(s) with ISI and COAS Bajwa accompanying. He trust his institutions and his institutions trusts him and this is how we develop, this was the message received in US on Khan and Bajwa's visit to US (that both are on the same page), but to all the anti-establishment folks Khan is establishment's puppet. However, if he start spitting venom like NS and Maryam then will become a 'leader' - LOL.

    Inline is the understanding of anti-establishment supporters and their definition of Puppet vs. Independent party within Pakistan.

    If a Pakistan political party(on its own will) is in harmony with army and vice versa, it will be called an army's puppet/ establishment party.

    If a political party thrashes Pakistan army at every local and international forum, and using this cover of being pro democracy/anti army, attain western approval, this the only definition of being an independent political party.

    Last but not the least, you also said enough about overseas Pakistan. However, you totally forget that many of us have very deep roots in Pakistan. Why the hell do you think people like me and @godzilla follow Pakistan very closely? Dont we have anything better in our lives to do? Wrong, as I said, we do have our roots and we care about Pakistan perhaps more then those who live in the country. We send tons of revenue to Pakistan in form of remittances. FYI, in 2018 overseas Pakistanis have increased remittances by 13 per cent , 5.4 billion US dollars, in the first quarter of the 2018-2019 fiscal year (July 1-June 30), in comparison to the previous year (2017), according to State Bank of Pakistan. I have brothers, uncle and Grand mother living in Karachi and Lahore, I do send money to my brother and Grand mother via legit banking channels. I also had my share in dam funds (Not to mention the money which we bring to Pakistan when we visit). Therefore, we overseas Pakistanis have equal right to raise our voice as much as you can, because we are also stakeholder and are totally aware of ground realities of Pakistan.
     
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    seven hours on I'm still laughing at this, this is comedy gold.
     
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    Listen to it carefully. 54 favor my hyn.
     
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    Meanwhile the media blackout continues.
    Picture was taken in Jhelum where there wasn't even an official stop.
     
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    very good news for pakistan if this happens. it is in the country's interests to have competent, clean opposition parties that keep pushing standards to be better and better.

    although im not sure how competent Nisar is, there will always be suspicion over a guy that stood behind criminals for so long, and someone who couldn't even hold his own seat in the last election.
     
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    OMG this is hilarious.
     
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    NAB lambasted Maryam Nawaz after Hidden Cellphone was Recovered from her Possession

    Maryam Nawaz confronted an embarrassing situation after NAB recovered a mobile phone from her possession. Pretends to be a leader but is a pickpocket, lambasted NAB officials.

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    Maryam Nawaz, Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz’s leader, landed in trouble after NAB allegedly seized a mobile phone from her possession. Reports claim that NAB’s investigating officer reproached Maryam Nawaz for violating the rules.

    Maryam Nawaz embarrassed herself after she was found carrying and using a mobile phone when rules strictly bar her from using the cell phone and other gadgets in custody. By violating the rules, she has tarnished her stature as a leader, asserted the investigation officer comparing her to a pickpocket.



    NAB had assured Maryam Nawaz to treat her with respect, guaranteeing her complete prisoner’s rights if she abided by the rules and regulation, recalled the investigation officer while lambasting her. The breach of the rule was followed by the transfer of the investigation officer and security guards deputed there.

    The details of the recovered cell phone are that it had a functional phone network, the SIM is registered in the name of her secretary Saima Farooq. NAB seized the mobile phone to investigate the data of mobile and ascertain her conversations with other PML-N leaders.

    A source quoted that she frequently contacted her father Nawaz Sharif in Kothlakhpat Jail and even contacted a few diplomats.

    Maryam Nawaz along with her cousin Yousaf Abbas was sent to jail in Chaudhry Sugar mill case last month.

    The news of the recovery of a mobile phone from Maryam Nawaz churned criticism from the ruling party PTI, with senior leader Aleem Khan calling her ancestors pickpockets.

    Federal Minister for Railways Sheikh Rasheed Ahmad said that Maryam Nawaz’s cell phone was recovered from the jail and very interesting information had been collected from it. “The data of all those people who were in contact with Maryam Nawaz is there in the phone,” said Sheikh Rasheed Ahmad in a triumphant way.

    The jail authorities, however, are adamant that no such incident happened and that no prisoner is using a mobile phone on the premises of the jail.

    Last week, the personal doctor of Nawaz Sharif Dr. Adnan Khan complained that Vice President PML-N, Maryam Nawaz is not provided better facilities in jail despite court orders. According to Khan, he met with Maryam Nawaz in Kot Lakhpat Jail in Lahore and was appalled to see Nawaz Sharif’s daughter incarcerated in a small cell alone.

    He added that the bed was infested with bed bugs and mosquitoes, she is not allowed to have her home-made food.

    Maryam Nawaz along with her cousin Yousaf Abbas was sent to jail in Chaudhry Sugar mill case last month. According to reports, Maryam Nawaz is allotted B-class facilities in jail. She is provided a water cooler, a chair, a mattress, books and newspapers in her jail cell. She is also entitled to an air-conditioner and a television.
     
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    yes. they are crooks. I hope they lock her way for good and throw away the key, the country would be far better off for it.
     
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    looks like total implosion in the PMLN, following fallout in news from the 'Azadi march' organised by a guy who couldnt even get votes to be elected in his own constituency, and after the confiscation of maryam's illegally procured mobile phone.

    turns out the sharifs are working possibly with an international power to try to destabilise the country. they have publicly humiliated shabaz too for the first time, on twitter, labelling him a munafiq.

    these people are working for india. its no wonder their actions are totally aligned and their supporters dont be able to speak against that nation, instead choosing to focus on non issues.

    looks like Nawaz is going to be rested on the sugar mills case too, to add to his other crimes. he's a full on proven mafiosa criminal, how does he have any support whatsoever?

    astonishing developments.
     
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    :D

    Protests are the legal right of any Leader...If people support them, you can go back to where you came from and remain shut up.
     
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    Erm not sure anyone is stating that protests are not a right.

    It’s only the patwaris that seem to think everyone doesn’t believe in the right to protest so they can complain.

    it is interesting to note differences though- IK protested after several attempts at having four election results queried, exhausted all avenues to have that done legally and then decided as a last resort to protest. So there’s some pride to be taken in that and doing to with dignity.

    In this case, diesel isn’t even elected in his own constituency, there has been no processes prior to this proposed action, it’s a first resort.

    The motives couldn’t be more different. One was for dignity and truth. And the other is for self interest. Obviously we can see the kind of people that are happy about that.
     
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    What the FU*K is this?

    He wouldn't even give back a dime if such perks continue.
     
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    well punishment of treason and sedition is also a right. if these guys are courting foreign powers to influence Pakistani politics etc then im sure that izaman would support the rule of law.
     
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    Sure, prove it in court. Right now, the foreign funding case is in court on PTI dharnas throughout and the government is pleading the Supreme Court to not make this case public.
     
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    so do you accept judicial oversight? In which case i suppose you agree with sharifs imprisonment.
     
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    I agree but with NS you have a judge on record saying he was compromised and that is what I was sure of..

    If another judge sees that he is wrong AND isn't compromised, then sure. Right now, his case was specifically engineered through all Panama bluff...There were 443 ppl with NS in Panama Leaks and none of them has been accounted for his wealth.
     
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    What do you mean by panama bluff? There could be a million other people ‘mentioned’ whatever that means, were they mentioned in the same way? Were they implicated in the same way?

    even if they were does that mean that the allegations are false against NS? What does ‘panama bluff’ mean - what was innaccurate about the information released there, which caused a number of international premiers of first world countries to resign?
     
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    With regards to the judge - you can’t have it both ways. You can’t say let the courts decide when it suits you and then judge as hoc when it suits you. Has the judge been adjudged as compromised in his judgement in the panama case by a court?

    no he hasn’t. So no, he has not been compromised despite the illegal and inadmissible doctored video that that criminal put out before returning to jail where she belongs.

    what about her? Why aren’t you commenting about a convicted fraudster and criminal producing evidence that you think is completely admissible, even though the courts don’t, but yet t panama papers, accepted by every jurisdiction on the planet is a ‘bluff’??

    your inconsistency and hypocrisy is yet again for the billionth time exposed. As usual, I expect you to run away...
     
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    just read on Wikipedia that sharif was brought to power under a military dictatorship... Zia gave this guy a job?
    So why the disdain for the military @iZaman?
    if sharif couldn't achieve diddly under 3 tenures maybe u should hold off the khan criticism.
     
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    https://arynews.tv/en/talal-chaudhrys-benami-property/

    "ISLAMABAD: In a major step against benami properties, the authorities on Wednesday sealed undeclared land worth millions of rupees allegedly accumulated by of Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) senior leader Muhammad Talal Chaudhry in Faisalabad, ARY News reported."

    more corruption in the PMLN senior ranks. and some people have the gall to talk about other parties.
     
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    More to the point, instead of admitting that PML-N leaders are corrupt to core, a joker was bent up criticizing Khan's sisters earlier and used all his energy to prove that she is corrupt.
     
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    even more evidence of these scummy bastards stealing money. shabaz a sharif this time, a whole documented show of evidence as to how exactly he has been stealing money and using it to buy homes and cars etc. and there are those who defend these people. absolutely disgusting.



    from 21 mins.

    looks like the writing is on the world for this khandaan finally.
     
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    superb monologue summarising everything by irshad Bhatti! this was in response to a court submission by maryam to have her name removed by the ECL because she misses her father, despite him being surrounded by his whole family, and all the PMLN leadership for a political party meeting even though apparently he is in London because he is very sick - she said she felt very guilty she couldnt be there for her mother, which triggered this response:

     
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    wowzers. has this hit any of the broadsheet headlines? who is this Sahibzada Alamgir?

    not sure what he says there is admissible in court as proof, its too vague even if we all know what it means.

    I think this has been spoken about for ages. theres a book last year I ordered but still havent got round to reading - THE FALTERING STATE Pakistan’s Internal Security Landscape by Tariq Khosa, iirc I was told he talks about it in that too, and hes a man that knows.

    but but but apparently Imran is the bad guy.

    hearing now too that the mysterious sharif illness which when in London doesn't seem to have any details of platelet counts strangely, needs to fly all the way to the USA now, in order to launder some more properties excuse me I mean tend to his mystery illness, which all the doctors in Pakistan and now the UK are unable to identify.
     
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    Nope, it hasnt reported by any channel yet. The used to be part of PPP in those old days, I reckon.

    I think he is trying to urge SC to take suo motu so that he can provide evidences (which itself is a bold statement).

    We all know this has happened but nobody can prove it yet.
     
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    @Del I think you’ll like this.

    If I were you I’d be hiding too @Mars - this is the filth that you keep lying to try to support. The leader of an opposition who instead of defending himself and replying openly to what he says is slander, has run off to another country to launder his billions of properties. What kind of leadership is that. Filth, cowards, thieves, traitors and murderers.
     
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    and here is national love for you, planning a couple from exile, refusing to face the charges of corruption despite the mountains of evidence against them, and still acting as leaders of the party - this is how beghairat this party is. not even one of these lapdogs has the cojones to step up and say the previous leadership have been found to be corrupt, whilst they appeal or whatever, I will step up and take the leadership. instead, like paid off slaves they run to their master every time shakes a bone:

    "Muridke: Top Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) leadership has summoned the party leader and National Assembly’s Public Accounts Committee (PAC) Chairman Rana Tanveer Hussain in London, ARY NEWS reported on Monday."

    https://arynews.tv/en/pml-n-pac-chairman-london/
     
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    and as if thats not enough, here's another thieving ******* running away from answering questions about his stolen wealth:

    https://arynews.tv/en/bilawal-appear-nab-tomorrow/

    ISLAMABAD: Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) Chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari on Monday refused to appear before the National Accountability Bureau (NAB) Rawalpindi on December 24, ARY NEWS reported.

    The NAB Rawalpindi has summoned the party chairman in a fake accounts probe for JV-Opal-225, a joint venture of Zardari Group Ltd.

    The PPP chairman has been asked to appear before the NAB Rawalpindi office on December 24 (Tuesday) at 11:00 am.

    However, on Monday, the PPP chairman responded to the queries of the NAB Rawalpindi and refused to appear before the bureau in person.

    According to sources, the Opal-225 (referred in tax record is a joint investment of Zardari Group Ltd) was initiated on October 15, 2011. In 2009, Bilawal Bhutto Zardari and his father became shareholders of the company.

    Both of them have a stake of 25 percent each in the company.

    Read More: Bilawal Bhutto Zardari is CEO of Zardari Group Limited, says Sheikh Rasheed

    Allegedly, billions of rupees were transferred to the company’s accounts via fake bank accounts. The company took out loans of billions of rupees from the banks.

    Fake Bank Accounts Case
    The anti-graft watchdog is conducting investigations in pursuance of the Supreme Court’s verdict in the fake accounts case wherein it forwarded the joint investigation team (JIT) report with directions to investigate and file references.

    Former president Asif Ali Zardari, chairman of the Pakistan People’s Party Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari, his aunt Faryal Talpur, former chief minister Qaim Ali Shah, provincial minister Anwar Siyal, others are among as many as 172 accused in the fake accounts case.

    The Islamabad High Court (IHC) had granted bail to former president and Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari on medical grounds.

    A two-member special bench of the Islamabad High Court (IHC) comprising Chief Justice IHC, Justice Athar Minallah and Justice Aamir Farooq heard the bail plea of Asif Ali Zardari seeking his release on medical grounds.

    The Islamabad High Court (IHC), in its December 17 judgment, had also approved the interim bail of Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) central leader Faryal Talpur in fake bank accounts case.
     
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    https://arynews.tv/en/medical-board-for-ahsan-iqbal/

    theres a surprise. they are in perfect health when lying to the cameras and stealing money. as soon as they are asked for details of their corruption, they enter death's door and then remarkably recover again as soon as they leave Pakistani airspace.

    noonitis. a brand new disease.
     
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    was sent this message:

    Medical report of Nawaz Sharif, submitted to High court is written by one Dr. David R Lawrence Cardio-Thoracic surgeon.
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    He is also not credible: In one of his websites website http://www.londonthoracicsurgeons.com/about.html there is a link to his publications which takes you to Pub Med with 594 publications to his credit. (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=lawrence+david)

    In actual fact his own publications are limited to maximum 64 in number and that also in a secondary role – not as lead authors. He has taken advantage of common names as David and Lawrence to get much higher search returns.
     
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    watching the news theres a number of things about Pakistani politics that I just cant get my head around.

    1) what happened to khalai makhluq? how can the PMLN justify this? voting for the COAS, and then the Musharraf judgement? why is there no justifications, and why are the barking dogs all so quiet?

    2) given Nawaz is a convict and is suspended from political activity, how is it that the party members of the PMLN are openly talking about what their Qaid is telling them to do?

    3) why is the incumbent government doing nothing about the fact that Nawaz has stayed out of the country longer than the court orders allowed him to? why is this not being spoken about?

    4) Mariam was allowed out on bail for compassionate reasons former father. she cant leave the country and he has run away, so why isnt she back in prison?

    5) Nawaz spent years arguing in the courts that he had nothing to do with the same avenfiedl apartments he is now staying in. why is no one saying anything about this?

    6) he is out on medical grounds and yet since he has left prison, he has not been admitted in hospital in over two months. why is no one addressing this, and particularly the courts?

    any answers @Mars???

    the above is absolutely categorical proof that this is a party of thieves, liars and dacoits. how can anyone with any self respect stand behind this lying, deceitful, untrustworthy, self motivated convicted criminal?
     
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    There's nothing to comment about. The army has technically taken over and both IK and PTI are not of more use than a trashcan.

    The army has made multiple deals with the opposition parties to ensure Bajwa gets his extension. PML n has seen that going anti army is useless as we've brainwashed citizens and army can stage any threat to play the patriotism card and do a coup.

    This is a delay in which everyone gets relief and that's why you won't see any cases etc being built because the NAB got their asses handed back to them after the ordinance (partially because cases were going to be made on Pti members too)
     
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    so the PMLN are as guilty as PTI in terms of their boot polish in your opinion with then only difference being that they were lying about being anti establishment whilst it suirted the needs of teh sharif family? so do you still support them undyingly like you have been, given yo have tasted that you are anti-army beyond everything else?

    what about all the other points?
     

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