Pakistan: No more the land of the genuine fast bowler

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  1. chandtara
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    chandtara Mr Cricistan

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    Pakistan cricket and fast bowling have had a long time relationship. Ever since that wonderful spell by the great Imran Khan against Australia in Sydney Pakistan has proved it's mettle in the field of pace bowling. The country witnessed an overflow of quicks, and players like Mohammad Akram had to miss out because the side already had the great combination of the two Ws (Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis) in the attack, supported by the enthusiasm of Shoaib Akhtar whose pace and accuracy terrified the best in the business.

    A lot of bowlers burst onto the circuit and disappeared during that era, and many skillful ones rotted in the domestic circuit because of the competition that existed, but now it seems that there is some level of dearth in Pakistan as far as fast bowling is concerned.

    Most seamers in the current setup bowl around 130-140 kph(on average) and some of them are even below 130 Kph.

    A country that produced the fastest bowler in the history of the game can't even find a single genuine one these days.

    It must be quite surprising but Wahab Riaz(at the age of 32) and Mohammad Sami(aged 36) are the quickest bowlers in the domestic circuit right now. Both of them are in the twilight of their careers but are still better than the young speed stars who have not come to the fore yet.

    Generally youngsters are hyped to be genuinely quick but this hype dies very quickly when they come to the international circuit.

    Such a significant decline in quality is because of many problems that the country's cricket is facing these days.To start with, the pitches are very sub-standard and hardly promote genuinely quick bowling anymore. It has to be said that youngsters with the ability to bowl quick haven't been managed properly as well.

    For instance, Mohammad Talha was pretty fast when he first appeared on the scene but his body was not managed properly along with his diet so as the years passed by, he became injury-prone and his speed dropped as well. Now we have seen in the last decade or so that Australia implemented a rotation policy to let their young quicks stay fit.

    Teams like New Zealand(Adam Milne, Matt Henry and Lockie Ferguson) and South Africa(Kagiso Rabada and Lungi Ngidi) have also managed their quicks pretty well.

    Even a side like the West Indies that has been struggling in the last 2 decades has 3-4 genuinely quick bowlers. Some seamers in the current Pakistani lineup have got the potential to bowl a bit quicker but the workload hasn't been managed properly. Mohammad Amir has bowled 850+ overs in International cricket after his comeback and Champions Trophy hero Hasan Ali has been rested rarely in the last year or so.

    To make things worse, these players have to also endure the scorching heat of UAE where Pakistan play their home games.

    In an era where South Africa, New Zealand, Australia and Windies have many genuinely quick options Pakistan have none. While most Pakistani bowlers struggle to get it over 135 Kph, in a limited over game in New Zealand 7200 miles away Jasprit Bumrah is clocking 148 on a rather slowish surface, and that too in a Test match.

    It is now evident that to produce genuinely quick bowlers PCB needs to learn from the mistakes made in the past.

    Only time will tell whether this will happen, but the introduction of Pakistan Super League has been a breath of fresh air. Youngsters with the potential to bowl quick like Ghulam Mudassar, Salman Irshad and Shaheen Shah Afridi are associated with the franchises.

    Some of them have even got development contracts with franchises like Dhaka Gladiators and Lahore Qalandars. Here's hoping these youngsters are developed properly and are able to bring back the very element that was once the heart of Pakistan Cricket.

    https://cricket.yahoo.com/news/pakistan-no-more-land-genuine-111547094.html
     
  2. s_h_a_f
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    s_h_a_f Moderator

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    Sadly, this is true. Tough times.
     
  3. Mohammed Bilal
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    Mohammed Bilal Tracer Bullet

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    This Pakistan pace obsession needs to stop. Indian quality has been good because they have built a decent pool of guys.

    Make bowlers that do their job.

    The job is too take wickets, Now if you look at Mohammed Abbas(Good bowler) everyone is calling him a truddler with no pace however he will not be exposed in the longest format of the game because rarely do you see him loose the plot nor does he try anything adventurous. Abbas also bowls a good length.

    James Anderson is also a truddler(by definition) but he is a class bowler.

    The only thing that should happen for instance is not allowing our bowlers to go to leagues that arnt even established.
     
  4. ASLI-PATHAN
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    ASLI-PATHAN Cricistan Khan

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    I think this is not true. We can still find express bowlers in Pakistan if we give chances to players honestly and there is no nepotism. Wasim & Waqar were picked by Imran from the streets. We can still find such talent in Pakistani streets but sadly our system is too corrupt and is recycling the same old trash again & again.
     
  5. SwingNSeam
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    SwingNSeam Boom Boom

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    wake up and smell the coffee uncle g.
     
  6. Dare2Dream
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    Dare2Dream Talented

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    Exactly, no one is going out there enough to find the talent, the domestic system is not good enough to find them and the last generation of fast bowlers (Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar), unlike Imran, are doing little help the next generation of fast bowlers. Sad state of affairs. Meanwhile the guy topping the domestic charts has nothing to show for it.
     
  7. Patriot
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    with the current domestic system, no one is going to go out there and pick anyone in their team

    Sahibzada Farhan is a live example
     
  8. Mohammed Bilal
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  9. Express Pace
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    Express Pace Cornered Tiger

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    Yes we’ve found Imran Khan jr, shares the name but bowls half the pace.
     
  10. Mohammed Bilal
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    Mohammed Bilal Tracer Bullet

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    If we find anyone who bowls mid 130s they are fast enough.

    No one that is express apart from Sami, Wahab and Irfan.

    Apart from that there is no one, Mir Hamza bowling like he’s having a stroll in the park and consider this- if he’s picked for the Test squad and classed as good enough, imagine how slow Sadaf Hussain and Tabish Khan must be, I bet both are around 124 kph Max.

    Few U-19 guys that can bowl above 135 but the rest of the bowlers that are slightly fast are in the Pak set up.
     
  11. iho
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    iho Smooth Operator

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    Waseem was not picked by Imran. He was first given chance in the Pakistan team to NZ in 1984-85 by Javed Miandad where he performed well and then became parmanent member of Pakistani team. Waqar was picked by Imran Khan from Wills Cup finals. Wills Cup was once the prestigious ODI tournament hosted by PCB where department teams participated. Aqib and Mushi were picked from Pakistan U19 teams. Just wanted to clarify for those who didn’t watch cricket back in 80s and early 90s.
     
  12. Del
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    Pakistan domestic system is/was and will remain garbage, need somebody like Imran at helm to get it straight up. Imran inducted Wasim, Waqar and Aaqib etc, because he had a eye to spot talent. Bitter reality is nobody except him is good enough to spot talent. All ex-cricketers have big mouth, they can moan all day about lack of talent but have done zilch to find it, because they simply don't know how to.

    Cricket has been on decline in PAK, specially since 2009 incident, but still with the most pathetic cricket structure among all cricket playing nations, we are still able to find bowlers like Shaheen. Which is a clear evidence that cricket is not dead in PAK in spite of being in isolation since 2009.

    You need proper cricket academies, who can work once a player is dropped from national squad due to bad performance. You need professional coaches like Ian pont, Moody and Athur to rectify technical issue of young and dropped players. You need proper domestic structure, need college and school team at grass root level, need to develop pool of under 16, 19 and 23. Rather than all this, once a player is dropped from national squad, he goes back to domestic and pile truckload of runs to make a come back. Does making all the soft runs on domestic will automatically resolve the root cause due to which he was dropped? For instance Selfie has been drop gazillions of time but he knows the trick. He play domestic, make easy runs and make a come back, without resolving fundamental issues, which are unable to play swing bowling, unable to take on charge to make quick runs and make effective use of power play and above all, ineptness of strike rotation.

    Believe it or not, we are blesses to have players like Fakhar, Sharjeel and now Talat, who at least try to play modern cricket. And that's why players like Talat and Shaheen need to be with National team, along side with Mickey and Azhar so that they can learn and become part of National squad, because they aren't going to learn a thing from our rotten domestic system with useless coaches.
     
  13. Del
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    Del Cornered Tiger

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    Quick question, so who picked and made decision to have all these play for PAK? Some revolutionary selector or IK?
     
  14. iho
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    iho Smooth Operator

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    I guess you didn’t read my previous post. Waseem , Waqar, Aqib, Mushi all came from Pakistan cricket set up. Imran nurtured them under his captaincy but they are byproducts of Pakistani cricket set up.
     
  15. Express Pace
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    Express Pace Cornered Tiger

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    Imran is working on getting married for 100th time, I don’t think he is too bothered w sorting domestic cricket out.
     
  16. iho
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    iho Smooth Operator

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    And also he is busy working with the umpires of Pakistani politics
     
  17. godzilla
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    totally agree with this.

    I dont think its about nurturing, and as bad as 'the system' is now, it was worse in the past when we did have express bowlers.

    in the first instance, express doesnt mean anything on its own, but in the second, we just dont have any at the moment. thats either just nature, and one might pop up at some point, or because our governments have so royally screwed up the country, or the pcb has mismanaged the administration so badly taking a world beating team to a team of losers (literally, given the league tables), perhaps kids neither can afford or are motivated to play.

    the best we can do is play our strongest players, and hope that better ones sprout from the ground. inzi although better than his absolutely atrocious predecessors, still struggles with implementing that policy.
     
  18. MNA
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    Lol Imran picking people from streets is just a ridiculous myth which is mainly created by media, propagated and romanticised by his fans to make him look even greater.

    Wasim was actually given a chance by Javed Miandad first, Vicky on other hand was already an established 1st Class player when he was seen by Imran who definitely had en eye for talent but it wasn't like he was going to streets, small town backyards and run down parks to unearth the gems.
     
  19. Don Quixote
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    Don Quixote Whispering Death

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    Shaheen has the potential to be an express fast bowler.
     
  20. MecnunK
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    MecnunK Youngsta Beauty

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    I think tape ball cricket has had an adverse impact on cricket overall in Pakistan. The masses in smaller cities and villages especially mostly play tape ball for money. There is proper cricket but has become more limited to those who are inclined and have the cash to spend on equipment. Someone from Pak can confirm?

    The other aspect is if an existing player or PCB official comes across someone and decides to give a chance otherwise you are not getting people from these so called talent camps unless the participants can line the pockets of the people running them to get selected. Previously you had people like Imran, Sarfraz Nawaz etc. who kept an eye out for new talent. Not sure anyone cares in today's world especially with no cricket in Pak for a while.

    I was actually gona write on fast bowling and got distracted. There is nothing like the sight of a fast bowler in cricket, its a joy to behold, trundlers with their line and length and are all well and good and have their place but a fast bowler can conjure magic out of this air and turn the match on its head. :p


     
  21. Mercenary
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    @MecnunK I think Imran is taking a few liberties with the facts there. From what I've heard, it was Javed Miandad who helped Wasim get into the team not Imran. And it was Miandad who took Wasim to New Zealand. I dont think Imran was even on that tour.

    According to Wasim himself he never even met Imran till AFTER that New Zealand Test Series when they went to play a mini World Cup in Australia...



    ...so according to Wasim, he never met Imran till after he'd already taken 10 wickets in a Test match in his debut series. The Waqar and Inzi stories are as I remember them.
     
  22. Rhythm
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    Oh bhai, 150k+ bowlers don't just pop up from the streets. At best you will find 140k bowlers which are then developed into 150k+ bowlers through a system. It is a process.

    We are a thousand years behind in sports science, biomechanics in particular. Most of the ex-cricketers and coaches I've listened to in Pakistan have literally no clue.
     
  23. MecnunK
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    MecnunK Youngsta Beauty

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    @Mercenary Perhaps Wasim has the events in the correct order and Imran doesnt, I dont know. I had always heard the Imran version and had no reason to doubt it although with the understanding that there is usually more than one person involved in bringing a talent to fruition i.e. inclusion into national squad.
     
  24. iho
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    Since Imran has turned into politician he likes to take credit of everything to project his accomplishments
     

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