New Zealand vs Pakistan 2020: Test Series Discussion Thread

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  1. Ahson8
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    So T20 series done and dusted...

    Do we have any chance in the tests against a rampant NZ at home, that too without Babar ?

    Discuss.
     
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    Our only hope is our inconsistency where once in a blue moon we do better when we expect bad, otherwise loray lagney walay hain
     
  3. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Series 1-1 imo... NZ will win 1st test, Pakistan will win 2nd...
     
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    2-0 to NZ.
    The batting and bowling is not strong enough to win a test. Batting can't make anything more than 260-300. Bowling can't take 20 wickets.
     
  7. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Fawad Alam, Harris Sohail, Azhar Ali, Rizwan, Shan Masood this is a very strong test batting lineup imo... Babar Azam 2nd test mein wapis ajayega aur Babar Azam limited overs ka ziada bara player hai as compared to tests.. Tests mein Azhar Ali ne recently buhat zabardast comeback kiya hai 140 banaye the England mein aur crisis situation mein... Fawad Alam buhat experienced hai 12000 runs in domestic.. 140 in recent practice game., Harris Sohail we all know... Form Rizwan is in.. Shan got 150+ in England... So, dont underestimate Pakistan specially in 2nd test with Babar back...
     
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    It is a strong lineup only if they play at their very best, that too if everyone performs in the same game.

    If they play like they usually do then this team will be rolled over for 150ish pretty often. Most of those players are mediocre in test cricket at best
     
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    This! ^^^


    Being hopeful and staying positive is one thing that we should do, however, it doesn’t mean one should turn a blind eye towards the ground realities and bitter facts.

    220 or something is the total average worth of this team.

    And in bowling, even if we get Kane Williamson early in both games, we are prone to turn zeros into heroes.............. in the opposition team that is.

    So some lallu panju player will be scoring the winning centuries against us.
     
  10. Shahzad.Firdous
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    I dont know why we underestimate our players so much all the time... it happened throughout the decade when Misbah was leading.. Nobody used to give any chance to Misbah's team but Misbah's team was maintaining such consistency that they always performed beyond expectations everytime... Why we never give any chances to our team? This is not a young team by any means... Azhar Ali, Fawad Alam, Harris Sohail these guys have been around for so long... Also, Shan Masood we are seeing since 2015-16 i guess, Rizwan is in such great form.... Then what is the reason why we always underestimate our team so much... I dont think if past teams could not win in NZ, then current team wont win either... I know our team usually takes a bit of time to get used to Non Asian Conditions therefore I think we will win 2nd test and not 1st test... Babar will also be back in 2nd test...
     
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    Toss won. Pakistan to bowl first. Should have batted first imo.
     
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    You will know.
    Thora sabar kar.
     
  13. s_h_a_f
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    Too easy. Our bowling apart from Shaheen looks toothless.

    Naseem bowling with 7-8kph less speed. What’s that all about?
     
  14. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Naseem Shah and Hasnain should be playing limited overs cricket right now imo.. They still need experience of couple of years to come upto test level imo...
     
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    Look at Sri Lanka and India boss their Boxing Day Tests and then you have us, genuinely depressing stuff.
     
  16. Shahzad.Firdous
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    2nd test:

    1. Shan Masood
    2. Azhar Ali
    3. Babar Azam
    4. Harris Sohail
    5. Fawad Alam
    6. Rizwan
    7. Yasir Shah
    8. Sohail Khan
    9. Wahab Riaz
    10. Shaheen Afridi
    11. Abbas
     
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    Dropped catches, lazy and uninterested fielder, Haris Sohail placed in the slips, and then twisting the knife into the misery was inexpensive and lack of basic common sense in the captain. You DESPERATELY needed a wicket and it was the big fish - go for it and take your chances, but he didn’t review Williamson’s plumb LBW.
     
  18. Shahzad.Firdous
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    These things are part and parcel of the game.. this is test cricket... men's game..
     
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    This Misbah / Waqar combo is the death knell for any prospective pacer.

    Misbah’s whole selection strategy revolves around picking any random few pacers + yasir in the hope that yasir flukes a few wickets.

    Waqar for some reason has no clue on what to advise the quick bowlers.

    We seem to have a a default position - all they tell the bowlers is “here you go beta, bowl in the ‘right areas’. Wake me up when the day’s over”.

    They don’t teach them any nuances. When to attack, when to defend, who to test with the bumper. When to pick a spell to go all out. What traps to set

    It’s just regurgitated...

    “right areas, right areas”
    “cut down pace”
    “pace isn’t everything”....
    “Wickets will come” (as if by magic)

    Then after the match armed with excuses
    “we are a young bowling unit”
    “We must protect Naseem....he is very young”
    “It’s challenging for Yasir on these pitches”
     
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    100% agreed!
    You nailed it!



    We have an absolute piece of junk for bowling coach.

    Yes, a good bowler at his peak but as a coach, haven't we discussed this a million times before?

    He could not stop the decline of Abbas and Amir, and he miserably failed to groom Naseem. And how could he, if he is not ready to get his head out of Musa Khan's rear end?

    Waqar is simply not someone who can act as a trust worthy friend and fatherly mentor in the name of a bowling coach. He just simply doesn't have that attitude and that personality.

    He is all about a self entitled all knowing mama ji type personality with a huge ego who is never open to new changes and new possibilities.

    He does not exhibit a good leadership role where he is easily approachable by youngsters. You can't question his methods and you must be a yes man, otherwise, you are in his bad books as he seems to be full of vengence.

    This is how things run in Pak cricket, and Waqar is no different.
    Some dehaati mindset who has no idea about the professional man-management skills that a successful leader MUST have.

    Look at the Tim MacCaskill's coaching video of James Pattinson.

    How he introduces Pattinson, and smoothly overviews the summary of mechanics. The both seem to have a good bond where respect and trust both go hands in hand



    But when you hear Waqar, it's all about lectures on philosophies and "I know it all" attitude.

    He can't stop the decline of talent pacers and he can't teach them the art of taking wickets in TEST cricket. That's one of our major issues.


    Naseem needs to learn the art of taking wickets. This is something that Waqar can't teach him since Waqar was a one trick pony in his days. And he can't teach that inswining yorker skill to anyone. It came naturally to him. So he doesn't know how to teach it to others.

    Think about it, since how long has been Waqar been coaching this team? Is he able to produce just ONE pace bowler who can bowl a good Yorker? Just one?


    And totally agreed on Yasir Shah.
    He has been a total flop. We need a good potent spinner in this bowling attach than anything else. A good spinner is a must to dent the opposition, just like Ashwin did to Australia yesterday. But our spinner is a clueless self entitled Shane Warne who thinks he knows it all.
     
  21. Shahzad.Firdous
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    Thora sabar karo its only 1st day of a series... 2nd test Pakistan jeetegi likh kar rakh lo,...
     
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    haan mujhay maloom hai ... these days test cricket is see-saw. and it's only day one, Kuch pata nahi chalta lekin facts remain the same if you take this test out of the equation. We don't know how to groom young talented players... that problem is there irrespective of this tour.
     
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    Bhai simple solution hai.. Baron ko test cricket khilao aur bachon ko limited overs cricket... sirf Amir ko relaxation dein... let him play limited overs us ne jitni mehnat karni thi kar li ab auron ki baari hai... Amir is the next Shahid Afridi in the making.. let him enjoy his time... Afridi ne bhi test cricket chor di thi for limited overs...
     
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    We need Wahab Riaz for test cricket... Also, Sohail Khan we need in test cricket... Harris Rauf ko bhi test cricket khilao... Shaheen and Abbas test bowlers hein complete..
    Limited overs mein Amir, Naseem Shah, Hasnain, Usman Shinwari, Hassan Ali and Faheem Ashraf...
     
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    Junaid Khan aur Rumman Raees ko bhi limited overs team mein daalein...
     
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    Tests mein Shaheen, Abbas ke saath Wahab Riaz ko rakhein playing 11 mein... Harris Rauf aur Sohail Khan in reserves..
    Limited overs mein Amir, Naseem Shah and Usman Shinwari ko 1st playing 11 mein rakhein... Hasnain and Junaid in reserves...
    Rumman Raees in backup, Faheem Ashraf as allrounder somewhere,,
     
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    nahi yar .... tum sara din team combinations badlney mein laggay rehtay ho, apni poori zindagi tabah kardi tumney iss nashay mein. Faida koi nahi hota iska. Aik player k under dumm he nahi tou jis position pe marzi aur jis format mein marzi khilwaa lo usko.

    Team ki playing quality low hai, aur uski wajeh hai super low standard of domestic cricket.

    Hur 10 saal mein hum log aik acha player nikaaltay hain aur wo aaj kal k jahil coaches ki nazar ho jata hai.
     
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    Players sahi hai.. eik player ko agar sahi jaga utilize nahi kareinge to chahe jitna bhi chance de dein woh perform nahi karega.. players ko unki jaga per khilana parta hai... Naseem Shah aur Hasnain buhat ache young pacers hein abhi unke pass buhat time hai but test cricket mein unko expose karna bewaqoofi hai ragra lage ga unko buhat bara specially against top teams... Agar unko chance dena hai to short format mein dein... Short format youngsters ko suit karta hai as they have to bowl only 10 overs and bat only 50 overs or 20 overs... it suits their style of game.. Test cricket experience ka game hai wahan Sohail Khan aur Wahab Riaz jaise experienced fast bowlers ki zaroorat hai unhein wahan chance dena chahye.. Jehan tak Amir ki baat hai us ne jitni mehnat karni thi kar li ab us ke enjoy karne ka time hai let him enjoy limited overs cricket like Shahid Afridi did in his last decade... Amir mein ab itni strength nahi ke woh test cricket khele usko zabardasti nahi khilani chahye.. Wahab Riaz buhat strong hai but usko test cricket ke liye rakhna chahye test cricket mein aapko buhat zabardast perform karke dega Wahab Riaz.. Shaheen ko bhi 3 format mein ragra nahi do.. test cricket khilayein sirf...

    Jehan tak meri baat hai Chief Selector bane ki poori ehiliyaat hai mujh mein... i have been doing this on Cricistan since 2012 now my thread...
     
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    No need to bring back Wahab or Sohail. This is reason why everyone is mad at Amir, with him with Shaheen and Abbas it would be interesting. Anyways they should try Rauf instead of Naseem in next.
     
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    England se app series Naseem Shah ki waja se hi haare ho aur yeh test bhi Naseem ki waja se hi haare ho... They need experience in bowling attack therefore i think they need Wahab Riaz specially and Sohail Khan too cus Wahab has pace and experience and Sohail knows how to take wickets...
     
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    Sohail Khan aur Wahab Riaz ka 1 aur faida yeh bhi hai donon batting bhi kar lete hein... 50s hein inki test aur limited overs mein...
     
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    Formats ke hisaab se khilaana chahye players ko... Har player ko har format nahi khilana chahye imo...
     
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    Aapke pass Rahat Ali bhi hai usko bhi aap limited overs mein utilize kar sakte ho...
     
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    300 banayega Pakistan yehan...
     
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    Haan aur Wahab is going to bowl like Wasim Akram and Sohail like Waqar.
     
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    @Shahzad.Firdous taking names of every aire aire nathu gaire, but not Hasan Ali who is likely to replace Nasim for SA series lol
     
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    kyun ji? Lag gaye lorray?

    52/5 already.

    You must be thinking to reply something line, "Mark my words, we will win the 2nd Test by an innings and 500 runs".
     
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    This is disgraceful , disgusting & embarrassing.
     
  39. s_h_a_f
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    And they are all BAKWAAS, absolutely BAKWAAS.

    You live in cuckoo land or what?
     
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    Fawad Alam is pure garbage.
     

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