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Shahid Afridi - just scored 5 half-centuries in ODI cricket since 2005

Discussion in 'Cricket Talk' started by Majid Khan, Mar 27, 2010.

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    Majid Khan

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    I was looking at the stats on Cricinfo earlier and noticed that Shahid Afridi has in his last 90 ODI matches, since that 100 v India at Kanpur in 2005, he has scored just a mere 5 half centuries with the bat in five years.

    That's one score over 50 a year.. sure Afridi has done great in his bowling, and true no one ever expected Afridi to score 100s like a Saeed Anwar or Javed Miandad, but seriously -- the guy is a better batsman than what these stats show, its extremely shocking to think that someone can get a 100 in his first innings in international cricket as a young 16 year old, but after 10 yrs experience where he should have improved his game and reached his peak, he can score no more than one 50 a year!

    I still remember Afridi getting two back to back 50s in the Independence Cup, 1997 in India. That was the same tournament where Saeed Anwar got his record of 194. At that time Afridi looked like a really promising talent with the bat, someone who could get useful scores of 40-60 on a consistent basis (if not 100s).

    So what and where have things gone wrong, for Afridi to be such a miserable failure with the bat ?
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    Mercenary

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    Afridi's problem is that he never matured as a batsman, he doesnt want to graft out an innings. He just wants to go out there and swing his bat, if it comes off then fine and if it doesnt then he's had fun and hopefully entertained his fans with a couple of big hits.

    It's not like he doesn't know how to play an attritional innings, the proof is there from the rare occasions where the mood has taken him and he's played for the team ahead of playing for the Shahid Afridi fan club.

    But only 5 half centuries in 5 years is disgraceful for an all-rounder with his batting ability. What's more 1 of those fifities is against Zimbabwe and another is against the new minnow the West Indies.

    So only 3 of those fifties have come against decent ODI teams (South Africa, Sri Lanka and New Zealand) and that too in 1 shy of 90 games.

    Where he has matured is with his bowling, it's his tally of 112 wickets at an average of 30 in 89 games which has kept him in the team. But to keep the thread on track I have to agree with you that based on his talent his batting average of 20 in his last 89 games is pathetic.
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    Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar

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    well maybe it's the definition of talent that needs to be revised. if he really had so much talent with the bat, then surely his average wouldn't be pathetic. talent isn't just about how far you can hit a fulltoss.

    temperament, ability to read the game, etc, are also part of talent.
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    Mercenary

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    @MT

    I think talent and mental discipline should be distinguished.

    For example Afridi has the talent/ability to score against any bowler in any conditions but he lacks the mental discipline to play out time or go on the defensive when the bowler is getting the better of him.

    Now contrast that to someone like Fawad Alam who has the mental discipline to navigate the tough periods and the 'game smarts' to know when to attack and when to defend but he doesn't have the natural talent of an Afridi or a Nazir to take apart any bowling attack.
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    Majid Khan

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    I used to go with Imran Khan's theory of the three T's - Talent, Technique and Temperament.

    Talent is a subjective thing and not something you can easily measure or compare, but raw talent and natural ability in a player will never go unnoticed.

    Afridi has played cricketing strokes of the highest quality, with timing and placement, which make you think that this player is extremely gifted -- but maybe being a batsman requires other talents too - like the talent to build an innings, the talent to handle different kinds of bowling from fast pace, inswing, outswing, leg spin , off spin, and to adjust one's batting style and technique according to the conditions and bowling faced , in reality I suppose this is all talent which is required for a batsman to be successful.

    Imran Nazir is a similar case, his talent seems to lie only in playing strokes on bad balls. This may be what is deceiving us into thinking these are extremely talented, sure they are supremely gifted boundary hitters off bad balls, but talented batsman? surely there's much more to the art of batting as you will learn by watching the likes of Lara, Tendulkar, De Silva, Saeed Anwar et al.
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    Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar

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    I disagree. talent has to be measured keeping in mind mental discipline and temperament.

    I'm tired of reading that Afridi and Nazir are so talented (not from mature ppl like you but from their fanboys).

    coming to Nazir for example. he played the best cover drive I think I've ever seen in Sharjah against Pollock who back then was one of the best in the world. Nazir absolutely murdered Pollock through cover. does that show his talent? maybe...

    because how many times did Nazir try to play that shot, get beaten or nearly get out before FINALLY connecting? honestly if you gave the bat to a loser like and told me that play without a care in the world... after maybe a 100 shots, I think I might have managed 5 gorgeous cover drives as well. Nazir and Afridi play low percentage shots because they think they can get away with it and won't get dropped.

    constantly playing low percentage shots, playing unprofessionaly, etc should be not confused for talent. look at Afridi's innings in the RBS T20 semifinal against Sialkot. he played a shot at every ball for the two overs he batted. does that show his talent? do you think if someone like Malik also decided in his innings he was going to bat irresponsibly and just go slam bang, he couldn't have scored a 12-ball 20? instead, he batted slowly, tried to stay on the wicket and take his side to a decent total. that for me is real talent.

    imo, most of the guys at the top level are ridiculously talented. they can do things that mere mortals like me can't even imagine. if they wanted to, all of them could play shots like Afridi, Nazir. but they choose NOT to... because they want their team to win and realize that they must contribute with high percentage shots. not by taking outrageous risks like Afridi/Nazir etc. if the likes of Tendulkar/Lara/Waugh/Inzi decided that their only mission in life was to break the 37-ball 100 record and they played every game for that, I firmly believe they could do it. but they did not because all of them were required to bat for their team especially being the premier batsmen that they were.

    for me someone like Malik (who is considered workmanlike, etc) is far more talented than a Nazir or Afridi (with the bat). guess my definition of talent incorporates temperament as well.
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    Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar

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    and I must disagree with this particular part as well. when the ball moves around, he is totally out of his depth. not saying that others aren't as well. but he actually looks scared. he knows he hasn't got a shot of making it, so instead of being dismissed, he chooses to commit suicide. the easy way you know...

    a real talent... a la Lara, Waugh, Tendulkar, or even an Inzi would buckle down and play despite the conditions or the bowler. that is talent.

    what Afridi does is behave like a scared little child who would rather be back in the nice, warm dressing room than out there fighting it out.
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    Feather

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    I have said this many times in the past that IPL/T20 was going to expose Afridi and the other 'talented' bunch we have. Let's be realistic and look at the facts. No other team in the world would have gone along with Afridi for so many years to give him even a chance to mature in one department or the other.

    We Pakistanis and the cricketing management has always looked the other way when Afridi has cost us games when he could have easily won them for us. Why because every now and then he can play big shots. He is always trying to hit out of the park.

    Can someone name any other player who always bats like Afridi? No, you can't because if there was one...he would be much better! With the introduction of ICL/IPL/T20 good players and not so good players are simply having a go at the bowlers.

    I can think of handful of batsman I would have in my team as batsman before Afridi. They will score more and far more often.
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    Honestly speaking, I believe that had Afridi been given one specific role in the team he would have had greater success as a batsman. He has floated in the lineup throughout most of his career and that has an effect on his batting. Had he been an opener for his entire career then his numbers would be better.
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    Feather

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    That too is his own fault. He wants to open in certain conditions against certain opposition. Sometimes he wants to bat lower the order sometime high up the order. You can not move the entire batting order for one player.
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    How many wickets has he taken in that time?
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    Mercenary

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    I think the only person to blame for Afridi's batting career is Afridi, whena player refuses to take any advice and doesn't want to bat for the team then who else can you blame?

    If Afridi had wanted he could have retired as the best bowling all-rounder of his generation in ALL formats.

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  10. thats one score over 50 a year.. sure afridi has done great in his bowling and true no one ever expected afridi to score 100s like a saeed anwar or javed miandad but seriously - the guy is a better batsman than what these stats show