Raja Pervez Ashraf in the dock

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    zeenix

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    What do you guys think should the SC show some restraint. After all there is no second opinion about Zardaris immunity. Those parties who want the democratic system to continue are also now watching with caution even PML-N this new judicial bullying. Between Supreme Court turned down a law made by the parliament regarding contempt of court proceedings. This Supreme Court wants to remain in the news and singling out PPP.
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    Passionate Pakistani

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    whats so difficult in writting one frigging letter.. it just shows how corrupt and insecure they are.
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    All this drama over saving 60 billion of the Bhutto/Zardari dynasty. This is Pakistani money its going to come back to Pakistan. So PPP is ready to sacrifice another PM just to save the looted money. Why don't they save Pakistan and write a freaking. letter.

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    Passionate Pakistani

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    exactly if its not corrupted and looted money as claimed by them then why dont write a letter? whats so difficult in it?
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    This money is NOT coming back to Pakistan. Government of Pakistan tried for more then 10 years to make that happen pre-Zardari government.
    This letter is basically a request to "re-open" the case. A case that was withdrawn by the government of Pakistan after running for 10 years in Swiss courts. The case itself cost allot of money to the Government of Pakistan and the Swiss tax payers. They will not re-open the case as they have been bitten once already. This letter will just be a symbolic gesture, nothing else. The SC of Pakistan knows this better then anyone else. This is a giagantic waste of time and money by both parties. SC of Pakistan has become a political entity being driven by personal egos of judges.
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    if it is just a symbolic gesture then why so much hesitation by PPP?
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    Because why would Zardari voluntarily allow his party to write a letter that could be leveraged later for political mileage against him ? Would you write a letter to the police to investigate your dads wrong-doings (not saying your dad did something wrong). It's irrelevant what happens because of that letter. The symbolic gesture of writing is historic. Why would the party that elected the guy do that to him ?
    You know the SC can write the letter themselves, right. But its an ego issue now.
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    Passionate Pakistani

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    but you said its just a symbolic gesture and nothing else.. then why not? if judges have ego problems then PPP has even bigger ego problems.
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    Sir jee because the case won't be re-opened but it will be recorded in history that a PPP government wrote a letter to a foreign government to re-open a case against a PPP elected President and head of the party. It will be remembered. Just like we remember Clinton's perjury case even today forgetting how good US was doing during those times. That "historic" event gets associated to the person in question. Zardari spent 10 years in jail that is recorded in history, he wasn't convicted once, no one seems to remember that.
    What you are saying is that a party should volunteer themselves to have their head investigated. Who would volunteer for such an event ? If the SC believes it has a case the easy thing to do would be to write the letter themselves. No fuss no drama. But its going out of its way to be "difficult". Its not their job to be difficult. Their job is to provide justice to everyday Pakistani. They are not doing that now. They are spending majority of their efforts to create issues with the current government. To what end ? What will this do ? Nothing at all. No money is coming back to Pakistan ? Zardari has almost finished his term. So why all this drama ? To make Zardari look bad ? Really who in Pakistan thinks highly of that guy ? So this much time, energy and money being spent to make a guy that's been covered in dirt all his life look more dirty ? WTF
    You know how many cases are pending in courts today ? You know the average length of a case in Pakistan ? You know how many cases per day a given judge has to look at just so that we can get to the back-log ? Is that the job of the SC of a country to get into a tussle with the government instead of providing justice to the people it should be providing justice to ?
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    comepletely agree with this post. Especailly the last points.....

    There are so many cases that are pending, but, no interest is being taken in that, no justice is being provided to the locals, just a ridiculous tussle with the government..

    GOod stuff by Raja Parvez Ashraf aswell.
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    I generally support the Supreme Court, but in pushing so hard on a non-issue they are pushing the country towards anarchy. Some folks here consider Supreme Court the law which clearly it isn't. It is interfering in the legislature work, has held the whole country hostage just for its ego. There is a reason why prominent pro-restoration judiciary lawyers have either taken a back-seat or are highly critical of the way Supreme Court is going about its business. There is no relief in the lower judiciary where 98% of the sufferers are common people. But there is an eagerness in the Supreme Court to take up high-profile cases which are in the media. There is a technical aspect to it too. Higher Courts are generally appellate courts, where appeals are heard against the decisions taken by the lower court. By taking up cases directly, Supreme Court is denying the people the right to appeal.
    Secondly weren't we criticizing the Military for sending an elected prime-minister whenever they wanted. Well this Supreme Court is doing the same now. Why should the Military be blasted for an act when the Judiciary is doing the very same act itself. Judicial Activism has now a total new definition in Pakistan's judiciary. Now not only the Judiciary is independent, it is also independent of the Constitution, which they interpret as they wish, and without following the procedures laid down. This is anarchy and the elected representatives will take as much as they can, and when they strike back well the Supreme Court would be in hot waters. Why reach such a point, when institutions can co-exist without harmony but a live and let live attitude.
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    The slogan being raised is not about the establishment of order but upholding the rule of law. This would be a fine thing if only it did not rest on such selective foundations: a quick track for the PPP, a very slow track for others. The way the wheels of justice have been spinning these past three years, ever since the restoration of the present Supreme Court, it would seem that the only seriously corrupt politician in Pakistan is Asif Ali Zardari. Others are as pure as the driven snow.

    If the axe eventually comes down on Raja Pervaiz Ashraf the heavens will not fall, democracy’s pillars will not collapse. But consider for a moment the waste involved, the time and energy consumed, in another fruitless exercise.