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Do great players make great coaches?

Discussion in 'Cricket Talk' started by Mercenary, Feb 23, 2010.

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    Mercenary

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    During my latest interview with Ian Pont we discussed why great players rarely make great coaches. Off the top of my head I can't think of any superstar cricketers who've gone on to become successful coaches.

    Ian felt it was because great players are naturals and they play off instinct. A great player may be able to bowl a ball in the corridor of uncertainty 10 times out of 10 but would he be able to explain how he does it?

    Could he break it down into steps and processes and then pass those onto aspiring cricketers. We came to the conclusion that players who weren't naturals had to learn and fully understand the theory behind the discipline. That's why they end up being better coaches.

    What are your thoughts? Agree or disagree?
    Mercenary, Feb 23, 2010
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    Qazaa

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    I sincerly believe more often than not a great player does NOT make a great coach.

    Your great player does not know how a bad player thinks or operates as they themsleves were never bad!

    On the other hand an average player, who may have faced many bad times during thier career has the know how of a poor players thinking!

    I think Jose Mourinho is a great example of this, different sport same concept.
    Qazaa, Feb 23, 2010
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    Mercenary

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    I totally agree, I dont know if you've read the interview with Pont but we go into this topic in some detail.

    Also I think there's pressure on great players to do something out of the ordinary or to get results from the word go but this can also be applied to coaches who become known as great themselves.
    Mercenary, Feb 23, 2010
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    Rizzy

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    yeah i agree with you, Terry Griffiths is one of the finest snooker coaches there is and he coaches players like Stephen Hendry who holds the record for the most world cup wins but Terry himself was not a great player. Its pretty much the same in most sports e.g. football/rugby
    Rizzy, Mar 16, 2010
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    Mercenary

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    Can anyone think of any great players (in any sport) who went on to become great coaches?
    Mercenary, Mar 18, 2010
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    AZK

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    Beckenbauer
    AZK, Mar 18, 2010
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    Qazaa

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    Conversly, can you name great players that went on to become bad coaches? I think you could think of a few =)
    Qazaa, Mar 18, 2010
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    AZK

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    lol, where do we begin with that one...
    AZK, Mar 18, 2010
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    Temptation*

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    Javed Miandad.:))
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    Mercenary

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    Miandad wasn't a terrible coach, we never capitulated under him. We always put up a fight but I suppose it could be argued he coached some strong Pakistani teams
    Mercenary, Mar 21, 2010
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    Temptation*

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    Well...
    Miandad was a GREAT player, was he a GREAT coach? No, and that's what I meant. :D
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    attidude.asif

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    gary kirsten
    attidude.asif, Mar 21, 2010
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    Mercenary

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    Gary Kirsten was a good player but I wouldn't class him as a great player. Besides as a coach he's very good at staying in the background, India are being led by Dhoni more than Kirsten.

    For example Pakistan were a good team under Inti Alam in 92 and Richard Pybus more recently but it was the captains Imran Khan and Wasim Akram who were the leaders and not those two coaches.
    Mercenary, Mar 22, 2010
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    Mercenary

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    Waqar's stint as coach wont be a true reflection of his worth as a coach simply because he hasn't been given the correct tools for the job. I hope he gets 3 or 4 years in the position so he can truly build a team
    Mercenary, Aug 17, 2010
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    LBW

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    Great players not necessarily make great coaches. In fact great players not necesarily make even great capatins eg Sachin Tendulkar. On the other hand some great coaches were not great players eg Jammie Siddons the coach of Bangladesh
    LBW, Aug 17, 2010
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    Observer

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    No, great players are not necessarily great coaches. Just like any other ability the ability to coach will be different from person to person. I believe to become a good you need to be good in these areas:

    - Cricket knowledge: The real stuff=by playing
    - Man management
    - Tactics
    - Planning
    - Cricket, theory (new ideas)
    Observer, Aug 17, 2010
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    khana

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    i think great players have big egos and they somehow expect everybody to have the amount talent they had. miandad and waqar, bari didn't prove great coaches for pakistan while we won 2 world cups under intikhab. same way woolmer, whatmore, wright all considered higly for there coaching but were average players while chappell failed miserably.
    khana, Aug 17, 2010
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